Comments on: The State of Blogging in Japan: To Clast or Not to Clast http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/ Your Guide to Design and Pop Culture in Tokyo Mon, 12 Jul 2010 03:14:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jacklynzg http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/comment-page-1/#comment-113671 Jacklynzg Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:20:59 +0000 http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/#comment-113671 Cool page., brother Cool page., brother

]]> By: marxy http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/comment-page-1/#comment-69527 marxy Sat, 07 Apr 2007 15:47:55 +0000 http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/#comment-69527 "Marxy is the Editor of Tokion, works for an ad agency, ‘and’ writes their blog?" I haven't worked at Tokion since early 2003, and if it makes you feel any better, I have not even written a freelance article for them since I joined the workforce. “Marxy is the Editor of Tokion, works for an ad agency, ‘and’ writes their blog?”

I haven’t worked at Tokion since early 2003, and if it makes you feel any better, I have not even written a freelance article for them since I joined the workforce.

]]> By: Mike http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/comment-page-1/#comment-69475 Mike Fri, 06 Apr 2007 03:46:50 +0000 http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/#comment-69475 I just realized why I've never taken part in a covnersation where Momus is involved... I knew he'd make me cry and then I'd have to throw away all his records. Damn him. Back to the arguement. You are assuming in my "contradictory recursiveness" that I have aggreed that Marxy is selling out, which I have not. Marxy is just paying the bills. The same one might do by selling one's music or producing for people who sell their music to the man. A tool of the man, no matter how far removed, I still a tool. I just realized why I’ve never taken part in a covnersation where Momus is involved… I knew he’d make me cry and then I’d have to throw away all his records. Damn him.

Back to the arguement. You are assuming in my “contradictory recursiveness” that I have aggreed that Marxy is selling out, which I have not. Marxy is just paying the bills. The same one might do by selling one’s music or producing for people who sell their music to the man. A tool of the man, no matter how far removed, I still a tool.

]]> By: Jean Snow http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/comment-page-1/#comment-69003 Jean Snow Tue, 27 Mar 2007 04:44:36 +0000 http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/#comment-69003 Marxy hasn't worked for TOKION for quite a few years now (except for some freelance articles). Marxy hasn’t worked for TOKION for quite a few years now (except for some freelance articles).

]]> By: Jeremy http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/comment-page-1/#comment-69000 Jeremy Tue, 27 Mar 2007 03:53:46 +0000 http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/#comment-69000 So wait a minute, Marxy is the Editor of Tokion, works for an ad agency, 'and' writes their blog? If this is not true, please correct me. If it 'is' true, then, uh, yeah, he is the definition of sell out and there's no way you can trust what you see in the pages of Tokion (or the Clast blog, for that matter). Just because this guy is your friend shouldn't automatically make turn a blind eye to the obvious. So wait a minute, Marxy is the Editor of Tokion, works for an ad agency, ‘and’ writes their blog? If this is not true, please correct me. If it ‘is’ true, then, uh, yeah, he is the definition of sell out and there’s no way you can trust what you see in the pages of Tokion (or the Clast blog, for that matter). Just because this guy is your friend shouldn’t automatically make turn a blind eye to the obvious.

]]> By: Jean Snow http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/comment-page-1/#comment-68227 Jean Snow Sat, 17 Mar 2007 04:14:32 +0000 http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/#comment-68227 Good point, Alin. Long live the cracks, and let's hope we all manage to find creative (and personal) satisfaction and development somewhere (and somehow). Good point, Alin. Long live the cracks, and let’s hope we all manage to find creative (and personal) satisfaction and development somewhere (and somehow).

]]> By: alin http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/comment-page-1/#comment-68225 alin Sat, 17 Mar 2007 03:49:16 +0000 http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/#comment-68225 yes, but it's exactly people who have been following his blog who have raised various (primarily ethical) objections. they should be trusted or at least positively acknowledged. one thing i personally lament in all this - and this relates directly to what you were saying about galleries or to such admirable efforts as Pause Talk - is that this yielding to and identification with totalities , like 'the Market' in Marxy's case, like 'the Japanese' in Momus' case etc ultimately stiffles the possibility to do something interesting in the cracks between which is really the only place where interesting things can happen. yes, but it’s exactly people who have been following his blog who have raised various (primarily ethical) objections. they should be trusted or at least positively acknowledged.

one thing i personally lament in all this – and this relates directly to what you were saying about galleries or to such admirable efforts as Pause Talk – is that this yielding to and identification with totalities , like ‘the Market’ in Marxy’s case, like ‘the Japanese’ in Momus’ case etc ultimately stiffles the possibility to do something interesting in the cracks between which is really the only place where interesting things can happen.

]]> By: Jean Snow http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/comment-page-1/#comment-68221 Jean Snow Sat, 17 Mar 2007 02:35:04 +0000 http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/#comment-68221 The point I was trying to make with that line was that whether you dislike people working in the ad industry or not, people who have followed his personal blog should have an idea of the kind of person he is, and should therefore have trust in his judgement. The point I was trying to make with that line was that whether you dislike people working in the ad industry or not, people who have followed his personal blog should have an idea of the kind of person he is, and should therefore have trust in his judgement.

]]> By: alin http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/comment-page-1/#comment-68186 alin Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:00:50 +0000 http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/#comment-68186 i mean radically different. (reccuring note to self: read before posting) i mean radically different. (reccuring note to self: read before posting)

]]> By: alin http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/comment-page-1/#comment-68185 alin Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:57:24 +0000 http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/#comment-68185 i actually quite dislike debating and being antagonistic but this one in the original post stuck to my mind and it keeps comming back though i tried to ignore it. "Are there people in the ad world that are just looking to manipulate the masses? Fuck yeah! Is Marxy one of them? I know he isn’t, " what conclusion should we draw from this apparent contradiction. Is Marxy some sort of trojan horse ? Is Diamond Agency radically, in a pretty much unheard of kind of way from its competitors ? ... i actually quite dislike debating and being antagonistic but this one in the original post stuck to my mind and it keeps comming back though i tried to ignore it.

“Are there people in the ad world that are just looking to manipulate the masses? Fuck yeah! Is Marxy one of them? I know he isn’t, ”

what conclusion should we draw from this apparent contradiction. Is Marxy some sort of trojan horse ? Is Diamond Agency radically, in a pretty much unheard of kind of way from its competitors ? …

]]> By: alin http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/comment-page-1/#comment-68181 alin Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:17:04 +0000 http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/#comment-68181 Jean, that statement actually, automatically links straight to the core of Ethics (capital E). the most obvious thing that comes to mind is nazis - not because i like hitler melodrama but it's a sort of recurring and tabu subplot at neomarxisme - and i don't only mean whether Leni Riefenstahl was working for the man or being creative, doing what she enjoyed doing. Jean, that statement actually, automatically links straight to the core of Ethics (capital E).

the most obvious thing that comes to mind is nazis – not because i like hitler melodrama but it’s a sort of recurring and tabu subplot at neomarxisme – and i don’t only mean whether Leni Riefenstahl was working for the man or being creative, doing what she enjoyed doing.

]]> By: Momus http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/comment-page-1/#comment-68180 Momus Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:00:14 +0000 http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/#comment-68180 Hallelujah to that! Hallelujah to that!

]]> By: Jean Snow http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/comment-page-1/#comment-68178 Jean Snow Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:24:23 +0000 http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/#comment-68178 Being able to support yourself by work that you enjoy (and here I would say writing about topics that you enjoy covering) is good. Being able to support yourself by work that you enjoy (and here I would say writing about topics that you enjoy covering) is good.

]]> By: Momus http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/comment-page-1/#comment-68172 Momus Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:45:12 +0000 http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/#comment-68172 Thanks, Mike, I'm collecting examples of "contradictory recursiveness" at the moment and that's a lovely one. I'll keep it with the one that goes: 1. Wealth is bad. 2. Wealth is so bad it's a kind of poverty. 3. Poverty is good. 4. Therefore - WHOOPS! - wealth is good. Yours goes: 1. Selling out is bad. 2. But listening to people who tell you that selling out is bad... is selling out. And that's bad! 3. So don't listen to people who tell you selling out is bad -- that would be selling out -- just go ahead and sell out! 4. Selling out is good! (Except when it involves selling out the selling out.) Thanks, Mike, I’m collecting examples of “contradictory recursiveness” at the moment and that’s a lovely one. I’ll keep it with the one that goes:

1. Wealth is bad.
2. Wealth is so bad it’s a kind of poverty.
3. Poverty is good.
4. Therefore – WHOOPS! – wealth is good.

Yours goes:

1. Selling out is bad.
2. But listening to people who tell you that selling out is bad… is selling out. And that’s bad!
3. So don’t listen to people who tell you selling out is bad — that would be selling out — just go ahead and sell out!
4. Selling out is good! (Except when it involves selling out the selling out.)

]]> By: Mike http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/comment-page-1/#comment-68154 Mike Fri, 16 Mar 2007 05:30:19 +0000 http://jeansnow.net/2007/03/13/the-state-of-blogging-in-japan-to-clast-or-not-to-clast/#comment-68154 I was a little annoyed and put off the first time I saw the little ads on Snow's website... but then I remembered how I shut down my own blog cause I couldn't pay the friggin bill. So, an artist can trudge along, being pure and untainted by the man and his corporate hand, hoping one day to be truely appreciated for one's art and be allowed, some how, to make a living at it without having to fold, to compromise, to give in to the demands of the "market" or whatever. An artist can do this and waste their whole life waitng for that chance. Question for everyone... wouldn't old Marxy giving in to all the whining and complaining from his readers about his "pyro-clastic" move be in itself a huge sellout/compromise? I was a little annoyed and put off the first time I saw the little ads on Snow’s website… but then I remembered how I shut down my own blog cause I couldn’t pay the friggin bill.

So, an artist can trudge along, being pure and untainted by the man and his corporate hand, hoping one day to be truely appreciated for one’s art and be allowed, some how, to make a living at it without having to fold, to compromise, to give in to the demands of the “market” or whatever. An artist can do this and waste their whole life waitng for that chance.

Question for everyone… wouldn’t old Marxy giving in to all the whining and complaining from his readers about his “pyro-clastic” move be in itself a huge sellout/compromise?

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